https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-cowell-sits-down-with-maria-manuela-silva%E2%80%94a-spiritual-director-whose-life-journey-spans-cultures%2C-crises%2C-and-a-profound-rediscovery-of-faith.-maria-shares-her-story-of-growing-up-in-portugal-under-the-fear-and-restriction-of-a-dictatorship%2C-living-through-a-revolution%2C-discovering-faith%2C-and-then-building-a-life-of-ministry-and-service-in-the-uk.-when-a-series-of-personal-losses-brought-everything-to-a-halt%2C-maria-found-herself-at-a-breaking-point%E2%80%94yet-somehow-still-holding-onto-god.-maria's-is-a--journey-from-fear-to-trust.-through-silence%2C-contemplative-spirituality%2C-and-the-simple-yet-transformative-experience-of-being-truly-heard%2C-maria-discovers-a-deeper%2C-more-personal-connection-with-god%E2%80%94one-rooted-not-in-striving%2C-but-in-listening%2C-presence%2C-and-what-she-beautifully-describes-as-%E2%80%9Cthe-dance%E2%80%9D-of-the-divine.-this-episode-is-a-gentle%2C-spacious-invitation-to-anyone-longing-for-a-more-authentic-spiritual-life.-whether-you%E2%80%99re-questioning%2C-rebuilding%2C-or-simply-curious%2C-maria%E2%80%99s-story-offers-hope%2C-honesty%2C-and-a-reminder-that-your-own-path%E2%80%94your-own-%E2%80%9Cdance%E2%80%9D%E2%80%94is-worth-discovering. 2026-04-10 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-cowell-and-katy-bowser-hutson-talk-about-play-as-a-spiritual-practice.-katy-shares-how-her-lifelong-creativity%E2%80%94and-even-her-experience-with-cancer%E2%80%94led-her-to-see-play-not-as-something-trivial%2C-but-as-something-deeply-meaningful%2C-even-sacred.-together%2C-they-explore-how-play-is-rooted-in-curiosity%2C-imagination%2C-joy%2C-and-relationship%E2%80%94and-how-it-can-shape-the-way-we-connect-with-god%2C-ourselves%2C-and-others.-from-childhood-wonder-and-storytelling-to-creativity-in-everyday-life-(like-choosing-colourful-pens-or-drawing-in-serious-moments)%2C-they-highlight-how-play-can-bring-lightness%2C-freedom%2C-and-fresh-perspective%E2%80%94even-in-hard-seasons.-god-isn%E2%80%99t-just-serious-or-distant%2C-but-playful%2C-creative%2C-and-inviting%2C-delighting-in-us-and-drawing-us-into-relationship.-play-becomes-a-way-of-resisting-fear%2C-rediscovering-joy%2C-and-reconnecting-with-what-really-matters.-it%E2%80%99s-a-gentle-invitation-to-slow-down%2C-wonder-more%2C-and-make-space-for-a-little-more-play-in-everyday-life%E2%80%94especially-where-we-least-expect-it.-you-can-find-out-more-about-katy-at-her-website%3A-www.katyhutson.com 2026-03-20 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-is-joined-again-by-maria-garvey-who-is-navigating-life-with-ongoing-physical-fragility-and-chronic-pain.-she-reflects-on-surrender%2C-vulnerability%2C-and-the-slow-undoing-of-an-identity-built-on-strength%2C-resilience%2C-and-responsibility.-what-emerges-is-not-a-neat-lesson%2C-but-a-lived-experience-of-being-%E2%80%9Cbroken-open%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%94-and-discovering-love-not-as-something-earned-or-managed%2C-but-something-received.-together-they-explore-curated-vulnerability%2C-aging%2C-self-compassion%2C-and-the-courage-it-takes-to-stop-%E2%80%9Cbouncing-back.%E2%80%9D-maria-shares-stories-of-toll-booth-chocolate-bars-and-%E2%80%9Cmicrodoses-of-love%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%94-inviting-us-to-notice-the-small%2C-sacred-encounters-that-hold-us-together.-what-does-it-mean-to-rest-into-love%2C-especially-when-life-brings-us-somewhere-we%E2%80%99d-rather-not-go%3F 2026-02-27 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-cowell-chats-with-andrea-clarke-about-surrender%2C-rest%2C-and-rediscovering-who-we-really-are-beneath-all-the-roles-and-expectations.-andrea-reflects-on-a-sailing-trip-that-became-a-powerful-spiritual-reset%2C-where-she-sensed-an-invitation-to-join-jesus%E2%80%99-%E2%80%9Ccrack-surrender-squad%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%94-not-about-doing-more%2C-but-about-letting-go.-through-stories%2C-poetry%2C-and-deep-honesty%2C-they-explore-surrender-as-returning-to-our-%E2%80%9Cfactory-settings%E2%80%9D%3A-being-loved%2C-enough%2C-and-free-to-live-authentically.-it%E2%80%99s-a-gentle%2C-thoughtful-conversation-about-releasing-over-responsibility%2C-resisting-pressure-(especially-in-faith-spaces)%2C-and-learning-to-live-and-serve-from-a-place-of-love-rather-than-exhaustion. 2026-02-06 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/this-episode-is-a-deep%2C-honest-conversation-with-addison-torrance-and-caidyn-bearfield-about-their-experiences-in-the-foster-care-and-youth-institutional-system-in-ohio%2C-and-how-those-experiences-led-them-into-advocacy.-they-both-share-painful-stories-of-being-placed-in-congregate-care-and-residential-treatment-facilities%2C-where-trauma%2C-over-medication%2C-lack-of-education%2C-and-loss-of-trust-were-common.-despite-that%2C-they-talk-about-finding-healing-through-community%E2%80%94especially-with-other-former-foster-youth%E2%80%94and-turning-their-experiences-into-purpose.-much-of-the-episode-focuses-on-challenging-systems-that-profit-from-institutionalizing-young-people%2C-advocating-for-safer%2C-more-humane-alternatives%2C-and-pushing-for-systemic-change-(like-the-creation-of-a-youth-ombudsman).-it%E2%80%99s-heavy%2C-but-also-hopeful%2C-showing-how-shared-experience%2C-learning%2C-and-courage-can-turn-harm-into-meaningful-action. 2026-01-22 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-is-joined-by-the-warm-and-thoughtful-olga-malarkey-for-a-rich%2C-down-to-earth-conversation-about-faith%2C-identity%2C-and-noticing-god-in-everyday-life.-olga-shares-a-bit-of-her-story-%E2%80%94-from-growing-up-irish-with-a-much-questioned-name%2C-to-living-overseas%2C-working-in-ministry%2C-nursing%2C-and-now-supporting-holistic-child-development-through-a-global-charity.-together-they-reflect-on-ireland%2C-creativity%2C-and-the-deep-hunger-for-freedom-and-healing-woven-into-irish-culture%2C-before-moving-into-olga%E2%80%99s-personal-journey-of-faith-%E2%80%94-including-walking-through-years-of-chronic-illness-and-experiencing-both-god%E2%80%99s-presence-in-the-struggle-and-the-joy-of-healing.-the-heart-of-the-conversation-focuses-on-the-examen%2C-an-ancient-ignatian-prayer-practice-that-helps-people-reflect-on-their-day-and-become-more-aware-of-god%E2%80%99s-loving-presence-in-both-the-highs-and-the-lows.-olga-explains-the-practice-in-a-simple%2C-accessible-way%2C-sharing-why-it%E2%80%99s-been-so-transformative-for-her-personally-and-why-it%E2%80%99s-increasingly-used-in-leadership%2C-therapy%2C-and-spiritual-formation.-it%E2%80%99s-a-gentle%2C-hope-filled-episode-about-living-an-integrated-life%2C-bringing-our-whole-selves-into-the-light%2C-and-learning-to-lay-down-the-day-with-honesty%2C-gratitude%2C-and-grace. 2026-01-02 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/sophie-killingley-is-a-freelance-artist-who-is-passionate-about-the-intersection-of-faith-and-creativity-and-breaking-down-the-sacred%2Fsecular-divide-to-explore-the-world-as-it-is.-her-work-and-cartooning-are-quirky-offerings-of-humour-and-heart-from-her-perspectives-on-mental-health%2C-christian-culture%2C-and-the-daily-realities-of-having-a-neurodivergent-family.-i-discovered-sophie's-work-having-been-alerted-to-her-presence-in-the-world-by-a-fellow-parent-of-children-with-additional-needs.-when-i-came-across-her-piece-inspired-by-vashti---the-often-overlooked-woman-in-the-biblical-story-of-esther%2C-i-immediately-wanted-to-meet-and-record-a-conversation.-very-grateful-that-sophie-said-'yes'.-this-is-conversation-that-resulted.-we-explored-life%2C-finding-your-calling%2C-neurodivergence%2C-faith-and-the-queen-who-dared-to-say-'no'.- 2025-12-19 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-talks-with-anni-ponder-and-kim-eckhart%2C-who-host-a-regular-online-meeting-called-%E2%80%9Cfinding-mama-god%E2%80%9D.--both-anni-and-kim-describe-how%2C-independently%2C-they-have-grown-up-in-christian-churches-which-focused-on-the-masculine-aspects-of-the-divine%2C-and-yet-were-drawn-into-a-journey-of-discovering-the-transformative-power-of-perceiving-god-as-feminine%2C-particularly-through-the-lens-of-our-motherhood.%C2%A0-how-they-met%2C-and-have-been-able-to-share-together-their-experiences-of-deeply-healing-and-empowering-through-their-encounters-with-%E2%80%9Cmama-god%E2%80%9D.-they-highlight-the-importance-of-creating-spaces-where-this-feminine-divine-can-be-openly-acknowledged-and-celebrated%2C-fostering-a-sense-of-community-and-shared-experience%2C-and-how-they-have-facilitated-this-with-the-establishment-of-their-online-%E2%80%9Cfinding-mama-god%E2%80%9D-group-of-which-everyone-is-invited-to-be-a-part.- 2025-12-19 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/this-week%2C-catherine-is-joined-once-again-by-the-wonderful-heidi-steele-from-live-play-learn.-heidi%E2%80%99s-an-unschooling-parent-of-four-and-a-former-teacher%2C-and-she-shares-what-life-looks-like-when-learning-happens-naturally-%E2%80%94-no-classrooms%2C-no-curriculums%2C-just-curiosity.-they-dive-into-how-unschooling-has-supported-heidi%E2%80%99s-neurodivergent-family%2C-what-it-means-to-unschool-ourselves-as-adults%2C-and-how-questioning-old-assumptions-can-lead-to-more-compassion%2C-joy%2C-and-freedom-in-everyday-life 2025-11-07 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/maria-skoyles%2C-founder-of-dorcas-dresses%2C-shares-her-journey-inspired-by-the-biblical-figure-dorcas%2C-a-dressmaker-known-for-her-acts-of-charity.-maria%E2%80%99s-business-supports-women-in-financial-hardship%2C-providing-them-with-sewing-machines-and-training-to-establish-their-own-businesses.-through-her-work%2C-maria-witnesses-the-transformative-power-of-empowering-women%2C-enabling-them-to-bless-others-and-create-a-ripple-effect-of-positive-change. 2025-10-17 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/margaret-and-catherine-take-a-look-at-the-parables-that-jesus-tells-in-luke-15.-the-parable-of-the-running-father-is-a-beautiful-case-study-of-therapeutic-parenting%2C-helpful-to-all-parents.-particularly-those--seeking-to-integrate-their-christian-faith-and-their-parenting%2C-and-those-with-children-who-have-additional-needs.- 2025-10-04 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/what-does-god's-mothering-of-us-look-like%3F-what-are-the-different-ways-that-we-experience-the-maternal-embrace-of-the-divine%3F-this-is-the-question-that-joan-wright-howie-explores-with-catherine-in-this-episode.---joan-is-a-minister-in-the-uniting-church-in-australia.-she-is-also-a-spiritual-director-and-a-professional-supervisor.--- 2025-09-20 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/in-this-wide-ranging-conversation%2C-catherine-talks-with-dr-laura-beres%2C-who-is-professor-of-social-work%2C-at-king's-university-college-at-the-university-of-western-ontario.-they-talk-about-spirituality-in-the-context-of-social-work%2C-narrative-therapy%2C-research-into-spirituality-and-resilience-and-covid-19.-what-can-help-us-in-our-everyday-spiritual-practice-from-the-celtic-inspired-practices-of-community-of-iona%3F-and-from-the-benedictine-concepts-of-conversatio%2C-obedience-and-stability.-how-might-the-idea-of-cloisters-be-helpful-to-us-today%3F-and-why-might-a-diary-be-a-great-spiritual-tool%3F 2025-09-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/sue-saunders-is-a-phd-student%2C-living-in-dublin.-she-is-exploring-how-spiritual-practices-could-sustain-climate-change-activists.-in-this-conversation%2C-she-talks-about-the-united-nations-inner-development-goals%2C-psychotherapy%2C-quakerism%2C-and-finding-the-divine-in-nature.-she-has-developed-a-simple-spiritual-practice%2C-she-calls-natura-divina%2C-which-gives-some-structure-and-support-to-being-in-nature-as-a-way-of-connecting-with-the-divine.-she-shares-how-this-practice-has-deepened-her-own-spiritual-experience-and-how-she-hopes-it-will-help-those-engaged-in-climate-activism.- 2025-08-14 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/in-this-episode-of-the-loved-called-gifted-podcast%2C-catherine-chats-with-steve-kenyon%E2%80%94a-dad%2C-nurse-manager%2C-musician-and-former-dj%E2%80%94about-his-journey-through-faith%2C-work%2C-and-identity.-steve-shares-stories-from-his-childhood-in-lancashire%2C-his-early-experiences-in-nursing%2C-and-how-his-desire-to-make-a-difference-led-him-into-healthcare-leadership.--they-talk-about-creativity%2C-not-just-in-the-arts%2C-but-in-problem-solving-and-leadership%2C-and-how-steve%E2%80%99s-background-in-hospital-radio-and-broadcasting-still-shapes-how-he-connects-with-others.-he-speaks-honestly-about-what-it-means-to-be-genuine%2C-the-challenges-of-masculinity%2C-and-how-he-and-his-wife-katie-navigate-parenting-and-partnership-as-equals.--at-the-heart-of-it-all-is-steve%E2%80%99s-evolving-relationship-with-jesus%E2%80%94how-his-understanding-has-deepened-over-time-into-something-intimate-and-rooted-in-love.-the-conversation-is-full-of-warmth%2C-wisdom%2C-and-reflections-on-walking-faithfully-(and-authentically)-through-life%E2%80%99s-ups-and-downs.- 2025-07-04 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-remembers-meeting-god-in-a-gift-shop-and-muses-about-god's-presence-with-us-here-and-now.- 2025-06-13 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-and-stephen-have-been-working-on-creating-an-audio-version-of-catherine's-book%2C-finding-god's-feminine-side%2C-and-we-thought-this-might-be-a-good-opportunity-to-give-you-a-sneak-preview!-so-this-episode-is-a-little-different.-it-is-a-sample-of-the-(hopefully)-soon-to-be-released-audio-book.-with-thoughts-about-the-feminine-nature-of-the-holy-spirit%2C-god's-maternal-care%2C-and-the-surprising-metaphor-of-god's-breasts.-and-if-this-whets-your-appetite-and-you-would-like-to-have-access-to-the-whole-book%2C-without-waiting-for-the-audio-version%2C-you-are-in-luck!-it-is-available-now%2C-via-amazon%2C-in-paperback-and-on-kindle. 2025-05-23 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/stories%2C-ice%2C-fire%2C-poetry-and-the-countenance-of-god-upon-the-sea.---paul-byrne-is-a-full-time-children's-worker-at-a-church-in-suffolk.-he-became-fascinated-and-enthralled-by-the-literature%2C-the-landscape-and-the-stories-of-iceland%2C-when-he-was-studying-for-his-degree-in-history-and-literature.-now%2C-several-years-later%2C-having-become-a-christian%2C-he-is-rediscovering-his-passion-for-icelandic-culture-and-finding-god-within-it.-in-this-conversation-he-shares-his-passion-for-iceland%2C-some-beautiful-icelandic-poetry-and-his-thoughts-about-finding-god-everywhere.- 2025-08-14 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/in-this-heartwarming-episode-of-the-loved-called-gifted-podcast%2C-host-catherine-cowell-is-joined-by-maria-garvey-for-a-deeply-reflective-and-moving-conversation-about-retirement%2C-rootedness%2C-and-rediscovering-the-transformative-power-of-community-and-presence.-maria-shares-her-personal-journey-from-a-life-of-professional-busyness-to-a-slower%2C-more-intentional-rhythm-grounded-in-her-local-village.-she-explores-themes-of-loneliness%2C-the-quiet-revolution-of-love%2C-vulnerability-as-strength%2C-and-embracing-life-with-playfulness-and-authenticity.-with-wisdom%2C-humour%2C-and-touching-stories%E2%80%94including-goose-rescues%2C-therapeutic-clowning%2C-and-the-quiet-magic-of-shared-tea%E2%80%94this-episode-is-a-celebration-of-the-sacredness-found-in-everyday-connection. 2025-04-26 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/heather-and-ben-cope-have-a-lovely-little-studio-in-their-home-where-they-share-their-passion-for-music-with-lots-of-children-with-different-special-educational-needs-and-disabilities-(send).-in-this-episode%2C-they-talk-passionately-about-their-love-of-music%2C-about-life-as-a-blended-send-family-and-how-they-came-to-set-up-their-cic%2C-coping-together.-they-talk-about-the-unique-needs-and-abilities-of-every-child-who-walks-through-their-doors-and-how-they-adjust-their-approach-to-adapt-to-the-needs-and-interests-and-passions-of-each-individual.-their-love-for-music%2C-for-the-children-they-work-with-and-for-one-another-shines-through-this-conversation.-i-already-knew-heather-and-ben-because-one-of-my-sons-has-music-lessons-with-them%2C-as-do-the-children-of-several-of-my-friends-and-we-all-know-that-they-are-marvellous%2C-but-it-was-wonderful-to-have-the-chance-to-listen-to-their-story.-i-hope-you-enjoy-it-as-much-as-i-did.-- 2025-04-03 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/lucie-labadie-is-a-dance-artist.-a-few-years-ago%2C-she-began-to-learn-about-the-menstrual-cycle-and-the-way-that-women's-bodies-travel-through-different-phases%2C-different-seasons-each-month.-in-this-episode-she-talks-to-catherine-about-what-she-has-discovered-and-how-understanding-her-body-helps-her-to-live-more-in-tune-with-it.-there-are-times-in-the-month-when-she-chooses-to-prioritise-rest-and-times-for-focus-and-activity.-times-when-she-is-more-intuitive.-she-has-learnt-that-some-times-in-the-month-are-better-for-making-decisions-than-others.-she-talks-about-the-beauty-and-the-spirituality-of-the-female-body.---let-it-bleed!-is-the-dance-show-that-lucie-created-collaboratively-with-a-group-of-women-to-artistically-explore-and-depict-the-journey-through-the-different-seasons-of-the-cycle.-she-shares-the-inspiration-for-the-show-and-the-way-it-was-created.- 2025-03-21 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/heidi-steel-runs-live-play-learn%2C-a-hub-and-a-community-for-unschooling-parents.-unschooling-is-an-approach-to-homeschooling-that-starts-with-the-understanding-that-humans-are-born-with-a-natural-ability-to-learn-and-parents-can-provide-the-natural-environment-in-which-that-can-happen-for-their-children.-she-is-a-qualified-primary-school-teacher%2C-and-having-worked-in-schools-for-14-years%2C-knew-that-she-wanted-something-different-for-her-own-children.-she-talks-about-how-unschooling-has-positively-shaped-the-life-of-her-family-and-provided-the-opportunity-to-create-environments-and-learning-opportunities-centred-around-the-individual-personalities-and-needs-of-each-of-her-children.-including-where-there-is-neurodiversity.-she-hosts-the-unschooling-conversations-podcast-and-you-can-find-resources-and-information-at-liveplaylearn.org 2025-03-06 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/in-the-last-episode%2C-catherine-looked-at-the-concept-of-biblical-womanhood%2C-and-the-fact-that-it-doesn't-really-stand-up-to-scrutiny-if-you-start-by-looking-at-jesus-and-his-interactions-with-women.-this-time%2C-she-is-joined-by-sean-kennedy-to-consider-manhood-through-the-lens-of-jesus%2C-his-life%2C-his-teachings-and-his-interactions-with-the-men-around-him.-spoiler-alert%3A-jesus-never-once-tells-men-they-need-to-be-in-charge.--if-you-enjoy-this-episode-and-the-ideas-within-it%2C-you-might-like-to-read-catherine's-new-book%3A-finding-god's-feminine-side%2C-which-is-available-on-amazon-as-both-a-paperback-and-a-kindle-version.- 2025-02-21 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-%E2%80%9Cchristian-woman%E2%80%9D%3F-over-the-years-i-have-heard-a-lot-and-read-a-lot-about-what-the-ideal-christian-woman-might-be-like.-the-notion-of-biblical-womanhood-is-particularly-prominent-in-certain-sections-of-the-church.-one-gets-the-picture-of-a-quiet%2C-submissive-woman-who%E2%80%99s-good-at-needlework-and-making-cupcakes.-it%E2%80%99s-an-image-that-seems-to-be-more-about-the-ideal-1950%E2%80%99s-housewife-than-it-is-anything-in-the-bible.---perhaps-it-would-make-more-sense%2C-to-start-a-conversation-about-christian-womanhood-by-looking-at-the-life-of-jesus.-what-was-it-like-to-be-a-woman-and-a-disciple%3F-what-can-we-discover-from-the-conversations-between-jesus-and-the-women-he-spent-time-with%3F-what-sort-of-womanly-behaviour-did-he-encourage%3F---in-this-episode%2C-i-explore-those-questions.-and-the-answers-turn-out-to-be-a-bit-different-to-the-picture-of-ideal-christian-womanhood-i-have-encountered-elsewhere.- 2025-02-07 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/gill-jarrett-is-a-holistic-massage-therapist%2C-working-in-shrewsbury.-she-discovered-her-passion-for-massage-while-on-her-own-healing-journey-out-of-domestic-violence-and-into-healing-and-wholeness.-she-is-now-passionate-about-helping-others-on-their-journeys.-she-shares-her-own-story-and-her-desire-to-see-others-find-healing%2C-in-body%2C-mind-and-spirit.-she-is-qualified-in-jing-massage-and-is-an-advanced-clinical-and-sports-massage-therapist.-she-has-conducted-research-into-the-benefits-of-massage-and-often-runs-workshops%2C-like-the-one-she-did-for-the-university-of-staffordshire%2C-which-is-where-she-and-catherine-met.-she-has-lots-of-wisdom-to-share-about-life%2C-passion%2C-purpose-and-the-healing-that-comes-when-we-find-our-way-back-to-ourselves-and-back-into-our-bodies.----https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fmoonstonetherapiesshropshire%2F 2025-01-24 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/this-episode-of-the-%22loved-called-gifted%22-podcast%2C-hosted-by-catherine-cowell%2C-features-clinical-psychologist-and-author-naomi-fisher.-they-discuss-fisher's-book-%22when-the-naughty-step-makes-things-worse%22-and-explore-alternative-approaches-to-parenting%2C-particularly-for-children-who-don%E2%80%99t-respond-to-traditional-methods.--key-themes%3A-challenges-of-traditional-parenting%3A-naomi-critiques-the-rigidity-of-conventional-approaches%2C-like-the-%22naughty-step%22-or-%22time-out%2C%22-which-often-emphasize-control-and-compliance.-these-techniques-can-escalate-conflict%2C-especially-with-children-who-are-naturally-resistant-or-have-additional-needs.-the-importance-of-flexibility%3A-fisher-advocates-for-a-flexible%2C-relationship-based-parenting-approach-that-prioritizes-understanding-and-collaboration-over-control.-she-highlights-the-value-of-addressing-children%E2%80%99s-invisible-emotions-(thoughts%2C-feelings)-rather-than-just-their-visible-behaviors.-parent-child-relationships%3A-a-strong-parent-child-connection-is-emphasized-as-the-foundation-for-long-term-growth-and-emotional-well-being.-parents-are-encouraged-to-reframe-%22giving-in%22-as-being-responsive-and-adaptive-to-their-child's-needs.-breaking-cultural-narratives%3A-fisher-discusses-how-societal-expectations-often-create-shame-and-pressure-on-parents-to-conform-to-rigid%2C-%22ideal%22-parenting-practices.-she-argues-for-letting-go-of-fear-driven-approaches-and-trusting-in-a-child%E2%80%99s-natural-development.-lessons-from-fisher's-work%3A-drawing-from-her-background-in-developmental-psychology%2C-clinical-experience%2C-and-personal-parenting%2C-fisher-emphasizes-the-need-to-create-a-safe-space-for-children-to-express-themselves.-she-also-critiques-outdated-educational-systems-that-conflict-with-modern%2C-relationship-based-parenting.-reflections-and-humor%3A-the-episode-contains-relatable-anecdotes-and-humor-about-the-daily-chaos-of-parenting%2C-paired-with-fisher's-insights-into-navigating-challenges-with-creativity.-practical-takeaways%3A-parenting-isn%E2%80%99t-about-achieving-compliance-but-fostering-mutual-respect-and-emotional-connection.-flexibility%2C-creativity%2C-and-understanding-are-crucial%2C-especially-with-children-who-resist-traditional-methods.-society%E2%80%99s-standards-for-%E2%80%9Cgood-parenting%E2%80%9D-should-be-questioned%3B-what-works-for-one-child-may-not-work-for-another.-the-episode-also-touches-on-fisher%E2%80%99s-other-works%2C-including-books-on-self-directed-education-and-her-upcoming-guide-for-teenagers-dealing-with-burnout.-naomi's-substack-newsletter-and-website-provide-additional-resources-for-parents-seeking-alternative-parenting-perspectives. 2025-01-09 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/pete-lewin-newfoundlands-is-a-remarkable-charity-that-gives-people-the-unique-opportunity-to-swim-with-newfoundland-dogs.-pete-fell-in-love-with-newfoundlands-when-he-learnt-about-their-incredible-abilities-as-water-rescue-dogs-and-their-heroism.-while-working-with-them-as-water-rescue-dogs%2C-he-discovered-the-potential-of-his-newfoundlands-to-support-people-with-their-emotional-and-mental-well-being.-he-now-takes-all-sorts-of-people-swimming-with-his-newfoundlands%2C-working-particularly-with-people-from-the-armed-forces-and-emergency-services%2C-who-have-experienced-trauma.-the-combination-of-time-in-the-water-with-the-dogs-and-swimming-outdoors-in-the-peace-and-beauty-of-the-lake%2C-are-hugely-beneficial.-pete-shares-his-love-for-his-dogs%2C-the-story-of-pete-lewin-newfoundlands-and-something-of-his-own-experiences-of-working-for-many-years-as-a-paramedic.- 2024-12-20 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/emily-shares-the-story-of-her-family%2C-which-includes-birth-children%2C-children-who-are-adopted-and-asylum-seeking-migrants%2C-who-they-foster.-she-talks-about-her-faith-and-god%E2%80%99s-leading-and-provision-through-their-remarkable-journey.-she-mentions-home-for-good-and-the-impact-their-work-has-had-on-the-wider-church-and-discusses-the-dynamics-of-a-large-family.-and-trusting-god-each-morning-that-there-will-be-enough-love-for-everyone.- 2024-12-06 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/connective-parenting-is-an-approach-to-parenting-that-puts-relationship-and-connection-at-the-centre.-it-is-based-on-nvr%2C-which-stands-for-non-violent-resistance-and-has-been-enormously-helpful-for-families-facing-extremely-difficult-behaviour.-it-contains-within-it-principles-that-can-be-helpful-beyond-parenting%2C-in-all-our-relationships.-sarah-fisher-is-an-adoptive-parent-and-nvr-practitioner.-she-created-connective-family%2C-which-provides-training%2C-coaching-and-advice-to-parents-and-professionals-and-has-her-own-podcast%2C-%22sarah-fisher-talks-connective-parenting%22. 2024-11-22 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/sarah-shares-some-nuggets-from-the-still-method%2C-a-set-of-practical-tools-for-helping-others-manage-anxiety-and-overwhelm. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/amy-decided-to-write-to-all-of-her-facebook-friends.-not-a-facebook-message%2C-but-a-proper%2C-stamp-and-envelope%2C-letter.-and-it-changed-her-life.-she-tells-this-story-and-the-story-that-started-it-all%2C-of-her-letter-writing-friendship-with-an-old-summer-camp-friend-who-lost-her-son. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/this-is-a-bit-of-work-book-episode.-if-you-would-like-some-help-to-work-out-what-your-life-calling-is%2C-there-will-be-something-here-to-help-you. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/people-often-talk-about-'being-triggered'-but-what-does-that-actually-mean%3F-catherine-explores-with-sally-bubbers 2024-11-04 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-is-again-joined-by-maria-garvey%2C-who-is-about-to-lead-an-advent-retreat-and-so-has-been-thinking-about-the-significance-of-advent-and-finding-god-in-the-darkness 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/andrew-is-part-of-a-big-chaplaincy-team-at-the-hospital.-he-talks-about-the-spirituality-of-children-and-of-chicks-and-supporting-families-through-the-hardest-of-times. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/rev-rob-rogers-discusses-his-work-with-act%2C-a-charity-that-welcomes-prison-leavers-and-the-homeless.-rob-has-been-on-both-sides-of-the-homelessness-and-addiction-experience.-he-seeks-to-create-places-of-welcome. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-talks-with-hannah%2C-who-no-longer-has-a-bathroom-office%2C-and-who-has-been-thinking-about-the-questions-we-ask-one-another-when-we-meet.-what-might-be-a-better-question-than-'what-do-you-do%3F' 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/there-is-a-difference-between-compassion-and-empathy.-siobhan-explains-what-it-is-and-why-it-is-so-important-to-our-wellbeing 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/singer%2C-song-writer-godfrey-birtill-shares-about-life%2C-faith-and-music. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/cathy-began-her-research-into-the-women-who-went-abroad-with-male-missionaries-and-the-contributions-they-made-when-she-discovered-that-they-were-often-omitted-from-the-archives%3B-their-existence-only-indicated-by-a-little-letter-'m'-beside-the-name-of-their-husband.- 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/jane-was-one-of-the-first-women-to-be-ordained-in-the-church-of-england-30-years-ago. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-is-joined-by-her-friend-charli-and-they-talk-about-the-autumns-and-winters-of-their-lives.-their-wide-ranging-conversation-covers-being-and-doing%2C-adhd%2C-neurodiversity%2C-attachment%2C-school-refusal%2C-shame%2C-deconstruction-and-spiritual-renewal. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/joy-kilpatrick-from-create-bolton-shares-her-story-about-starting-create%2C-a-place-where-artists-of-all-kinds-can-discover-that-they-are-artists-and-grow-and-blossom-as-they-do. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/the-question-is-not%2C-%22are-you-intelligent%3F%22-but-rather%2C-%22in-what-way-are-you-intelligent%3F' 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/gill-and-john-talk-about-their-work-as-waterways-chaplains%2C-ministering-to-people-on-britains-canal-network. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-tells-hannah-the-story-of-how-she-found-her-wedding-dress.-how-god-is-in-the-details.-and-how-sometimes-we'd-like-to-find-god-in-the-details-but-really-don't. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/only-4%25-of-prisoners-are-women-and-they-find-themselves-in-a-system-designed-for-men.-tracy-works-with-women-in-prison%2C-helping-them-to-discover-their-worth. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-talks-to-maria-garvey%2C-who%2C-twenty-years-ago%2C-founded-a-l'arche-community-in-northern-ireland.-she-creates-communities-of-belonging-for-people-who-find-themselves-on-the-edge.-she-says-%22god-is-a-space-in-which-everyone-and-everything-has-its-place.-everything-and-everyone-belongs%22 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/we-often-talk-about-loving-god%2C-but-what-does-that-love-relationship-look-like-in-practice%3F 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/the-'window-of-tolerance'-is-the-zone-that-we're-in-when-we're-at-our-best.-sally-explains-how-to-spot-when-we've-left-the-window-and-lots-of-ideas%2C-hints-and-tips-to-help-us-get-back-inside-it. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/the-5th-and-final-episode-on-mbti-personality-types.-this-one-is-about-the-people-who-miss-birthdays-and-the-ones-who-don't.-it's-about-judging-and-perceiving 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/the-fourth-in-our-series-on-myers-briggs-personality-types.-this-one-is-about-preferences-for-sensing-versus-intuition. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/howard-is-a-baptist-minister-who-chose-to-leave-his-successful-church-in-the-posh-part-of-birmingham-to-move-with-his-wife%2C-iona%2C-to-one-of-the-most-deprived-areas-of-stoke-on-trent. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/faith-doesn't-stay-static-throughout-our-lives.-it-grows-and-changes%2C-sometimes-in-ways-that-not-only-take-us-by-surprise%2C-but-also-unsettle-us.-sometimes-a-lot. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-is-joined-by-hannah%2C-who-has-been-redecorating-recently.-she-shares-reflections-about-faith%2C-jesus%2C-life-and-farrow-and-ball-paint-charts. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/felicia-is-the-founder-and-pastor-of-new-life-family-church%2C-the-mother-six-children%2C-two-of-whom-are-adopted%2C-and-the-welcomer-of-everyone-she-meets. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-discusses-the-internal-family-systems-model-with-counsellor-sally-bubbers. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/while-studying-theology%2C-katie-came-across-women-and-women's-movements-in-church-history-that-she'd-known-nothing-about.-incredible%2C-creative-humanitarians-and-writers-and-revolutionaries-that-have-been-largely-forgotten. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/part-3-of-the-5-part-series-on-personality.-catherine-talks-to-sean-kennedy-about-the-difference-between-people-with-a-preference-for-feeling-and-those-with-a-preference-for-thinking. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/sarah-expected-motherhood-to-be-so-much-of-a-breeze%2C-that-she-planned-to-write-a-book-while-she-was-on-maternity-leave.-it-didn't-work-out-like-that.-she-talks-about-living-through-some-quite-extreme-challenges-and-how-her-faith-got-her-through. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/drawing-on-the-work-of-daniel-pink-around-motivation%2C-catherine-talks-about-how-we-can-do-more-of-what-gives-us-joy. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/philip-talks-about-his-life-as-a-man-with-visual-impairment. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/how-do-you-pray-in-a-way-that-actually-helps-when-things-are-really-difficult%3F 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/in-this-episode-catherine-meets-hannah.-they-discuss-retreats-and-silence%2C-noise-and-parenting%2C-and-faith%2C-in-the-midst-of-actual-life. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/guy-has-severe-autism-and-learning-difficulties-and-is-non-verbal.-cathy-tells-her-inspiring-and-heart-rending-story-of-being-guy's-mum. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/this-is-the-second-in-the-five-part-series-on-personality.-catherine-is-back-with-pauline-cooke%2C-this-time-talking-about-introverts-and-extroverts.-and-how-it's-not-about-how-much-you-talk.-or-not-only-about-that! 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-chats-to-alanna%2C-who-is-a-christian-and-a-hairdresser-and-has-set-up-a-salon%2C-which-is-a-true-sanctuary%2C-in-her-garden.-she-talks-about-how-she-ministers-to-people-and-serves-god-in-her-work. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/part-one-of-a-five-part-series%2C-looking-at-personality-through-the-myers-briggs-system.-this-is-the-introduction-and-gives-an-overview. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/we-are-so-tempted-to-see-our-worth-through-the-lens-of-what-we-do.-in-this%2C-lies-much-madness.-here's-a-chance-to-reflect-on-how-you-are-already-worthy%2C-before-you-do-anything-at-all. 2024-12-11 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-talks-to-her-friend-and-colleague-sean-kennedy-about-how-our-attachment-styles-make-a-difference-to-our-perception-of-god's-love. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/inspired-by-reading-john-o-donahue%2C-catherine-talks-about-the-ways-in-which-beauty%2C-spirituality-and-life-calling-are-wondrously-connected. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/sometimes-when-you-think-you-are-failing-to-connect-with-god%2C-you-don't-realise-how-often-god-is-creeping-in-through-the-back-door.-lizelle-shares-her-experiences-of-how-spiritual-direction-helped-her-to-see-how-much-she-was-already-connecting-with-the-divine. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/back-in-july%2C-catherine-released-an-episode-called-%E2%80%98is-god-feminine%E2%80%99%2C-exploring-the-feminine-images-for-god-in-the-bible-and-suggesting-that-if-men-and-women-are-made-in-the-image-of-the-divine%2C-then-we-shouldn%E2%80%99t-be-surprised-to-find-feminine-names-and-imagery-for-god-in-the-bible.-hannah-wanted-to-discuss-the-episode-to-find-out-more-and-to-share-both-her-enthusiasm-and-her-discomfort-with-the-idea-of-god-as-feminine. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/sarah-clarke-is-a-lecturer-at-the-church-mission-society-(cms)-and-has-a-particular-interest-in-art-as-a-way-into-the-sacred.-and-the-ways-that-art-can-facilitate-expression-in-ways-that-words-cannot. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-chatted-with-jocie-and-dave-twine%2C-founders-of-the-life-project%2C-in-their-caravan-awning-at-the-new-wine-christian-festival-this-summer.-they-talk-about-the-joys-and-challenges-of-life-with-their-son-josh%2C-who-has-autism-and-semantic-pragmatic-disorder.-he-also-has-a-fantastic-memory-and-an-incredible-singing-voice.-they-set-up-the-life-project-charity-to-support-other-families-of-people-with-additional-needs-and-to-create-a-community-where-everyone-is-welcome.-they-also-talk-about-the-surprising-joy-of-being-part-of-the-disability-community. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-and-hannah-talk-about-the-lack-of-tacky-christian-gifts-in-criccieth%2C-a-fish-called-brian-and-a-cuddly-sheep.-mainly-they-discuss-how-we-are-less-building-sites-to-be-constructed-and-more-wild-islands-to-be-loved-and-nurtured. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-and-margaret-mcgregor-continue-their-conversation-about-pace-therapeutic-parenting%2C-reflecting-on-how-this-is-both-an-excellent-tool-for-the-therapeutic-parenting-of-children-with-attachment-difficulties-and-other-neurodiversity%3B-as-well-as-helping-us-to-understand-how-god-parents-us-and-how-we-can-be-compassionate-to-ourselves.-pace-(which-stands-for-playfulness%2C-acceptance%2C-curiosity-and-empathy)-was-developed-by-psychologist-daniel-hughes. 2025-09-19 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/in-this-episode%2C-catherine-talks-to-margaret-mcgregor-about-the-place-of-play-and-playfulness-in-our-parenting-practice%2C-our-spirituality-and-how-we-see-and-relate-to-ourselves.-the-pace-parenting-approach%2C-devised-by-dan-hughes%2C-has-been-the-cornerstone-of-trauma-informed%2C-therapeutic-parenting-practice-for-over-twenty-years.-it-stands-for-playfulness%2C-acceptance%2C-curiosity-and-empathy.-this-approach-is-also-the-basis-of-ddp-therapy. 2025-09-19 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/we-are-very-used-to-thinking-of-god-as-he.-with-a-capital-%E2%80%98h%E2%80%99.-there-has-not-been-much-space-in-christian-tradition-for-viewing-god-as-anything-but-male.-the-god-of-the-bible%2C-we-tend-to-assume%2C-is-entirely-masculine.-but%2C-in-fact%2C-there-is-also-a-wealth-of-feminine-imagery-for-god-in-the-bible%2C-if-you-know-where-to-look.-in-this-episode%2C-catherine-takes-a-look-at-the-rich-portrayals-of-god-in-the-bible%2C-including-god-as-mother-and-midwife. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/on-international-women's-day%2C-catherine-interviewed-jane-dickers%2C-one-of-the-first-women-to-be-ordained-in-the-uk.-in-passing-jane-mentioned-being-a-benedictine-oblate%2C-and-so-for-this-episode-she's-back%2C-discussing-what-that-means-and-how-it-benefits-her-spiritual-life.-whether-it's-something-that's-been-intriguing-you-or-something-you've-never-heard-of-or-even-if-it's-something-that's-very-familiar-to-you-jane's-story-has-a-lot-to-offer-here%2C-i-think-you'll-enjoy-it! 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/glenn-hussey-is-the-father-of-four-adopted-children-and-a-senior-lecturer-at-keele-university%2C-in-the-school-of-life-sciences-where-he-also-has-a-key-role-in-equality%2C-diversity-and-inclusion.-in-this-wide-ranging-conversation-he-talks-about-his-roman-catholic-faith%2C-his-belief-in-the-importance-of-valuing-every-human-being-and-the-vocation-of-fatherhood.-he-talks-about-what-he-has-learnt-from-his-children%2C-particularly-his-disabled-son%2C-and-the-importance-of-inclusion-in-school.-he-also-discusses-his-sexuality%2C-coming-out-as-a-bisexual-man-and-the-journey-to-adoption-for-him-and-his-partner%2C-who-were-the-first-male-gay-couple-in-stoke-on-trent-to-adopt. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/catherine-meets-lillibet-goodwin%2C-who-shares-her-passion-for-working-with-children-with-special-needs-and-her-friendship-with-a-young-man-with-autism.-she-talks-about-her-experience-of-having-adopted-siblings%2C-what-that-has-taught-her-about-the-importance-of-accepting-and-welcoming-others%2C-the-therapeutic-value-of-art%2C-and-meeting-jesus-in-those-society-so-often-ignores-and-marginalises.-here-is-a-young-woman-who-has-found-her-lane-easily-and-is-looking-forward-to-being-able-to-progress-in-it%2C-rather-than-like-many-of-us-someone-who-has-only-seen-the-pattern-in-the-rear-view-mirror.-there's-a-quiet-beauty-and-simplicity-to-lillibet's-story%2C-and-a-mature-faith%2C-too.-you-won't-want-to-miss-hearing-what-she-has-to-say! 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/we-don't-all-connect-with-the-divine-in-the-same-way.-things-that-are-helpful-for-some-people-can-be-deeply-unhelpful-to-others.-this-episode-explores-different-ways-of-connecting-with-the-divine-and-helps-you-to-find-what-works-for-you. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/the-loved-called-gifted-podcast-is-coming-soon!-musing-s-about-spirituality%2C-identity-and-purpose.-find-out-what-it's-about-and-what's-coming-up-in-the-first-few-episodes. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/many-christians-want-an-answer-to-the-question-'what-does-god-want-me-to-do-with-my-life%3F'-if-you've-been-around-churches-for-a-while-there's-a-chance-that-you-will-have-collected-some-ideas-that-make-it-harder%2C-rather-than-easier%2C-to-answer-that-question.-this-episode-explores-some-of-those-calling-myths. 2024-11-05 https://www.lovedcalledgifted.com/podcast-transcripts-1/rachel-has-done-many-things-in-her-life.-including-a-career-in-the-police-force%2C-running-a-dance-school-and-working-with-horses.-now-she-works-as-a-self-employed-cleaner-and-loves-what-she-does.-in-this-wide-ranging-conversation%2C-she-shares-the-wisdom-she-has-gained-from-living-with-mental-health-challenges-and-her-story-of-finding-a-job-that-works-for-her. 2024-11-05